What telescope discovered the paradoxical galaxies
ChatGPT said:
The paradoxical galaxies—galaxies that appear too old, massive, or evolved for their time in the early universe—were discovered using the James Webb Space Telescope (JWST).
JWST, launched in December 2021, has observed galaxies that existed just 300–500 million years after the Big Bang, some of which appear surprisingly mature. These findings challenge existing models of galaxy formation and evolution, creating what’s been referred to as a “cosmological crisis” or “paradox.”
Key instruments on JWST involved in these discoveries include:
NIRCam (Near-Infrared Camera): for deep imaging
NIRSpec (Near-Infrared Spectrograph): for measuring redshifts and confirming distances
Did it look father back than the Hubble deep field photo
ChatGPT said:
Yes, the James Webb Space Telescope (JWST) has looked farther back in time than the Hubble Deep Field images.
Comparison:
Telescope Deep Field Image Light Lookback Time Earliest Galaxies Observed
Hubble Hubble Ultra Deep Field (HUDF) ~13.2 billion years Redshift z ≈ 10–11
JWST JWST Deep Fields (e.g. CEERS, JADES) ~13.5+ billion years Redshift z ≈ 13–14, possibly higher
Hubble could see galaxies up to about 400–500 million years after the Big Bang.
JWST has observed candidate galaxies as early as 200–300 million years after the Big Bang.
This deeper reach is due to JWST’s infrared capabilities, which are ideal for detecting the extremely redshifted light from the universe’s earliest galaxies—light that Hubble’s optical instruments couldn’t detect effectively.
Did jwst look in the same area as the deep field
ChatGPT said:
Yes, JWST did observe the same area as the Hubble Deep Field, among others.
Specifically:
The JWST Advanced Deep Extragalactic Survey (JADES) targeted the Hubble Ultra Deep Field (HUDF) region in the GOODS-South field.
This allows scientists to compare JWST’s infrared view directly with Hubble’s optical/near-infrared view of the same region—revealing far more faint and distant galaxies than Hubble could.
JWST has also observed other legacy fields from Hubble, such as:
GOODS-North
COSMOS
CANDELS fields
These overlapping observations provide continuity, letting astronomers study how much farther and in more detail JWST can see compared to Hubble.
Would you like a side-by-side comparison image or example from one of these overlapping surveys?
Do the 2 images overlap in a 3d rendition,So further back in time structures got smaller with Hubble and then bigger with web
ChatGPT said:
Great observation—and you’re right to think in terms of 3D overlap and how structures appear across time.
1. Do Hubble and JWST images overlap in 3D?
Yes, Hubble and JWST images overlap in 3D space-time, especially in fields like HUDF/GOODS-South. Here’s how to picture it:
Imagine a cone pointing away from Earth—this represents your field of view through space and time.
Hubble sees partway down that cone, up to redshifts ~10–11.
JWST extends much deeper, farther down that cone, reaching redshifts ~13–14 or beyond.
So, JWST’s 3D observations include all of Hubble’s and then continue further back in time and space. This gives astronomers a layered look at cosmic history.
2. Do structures appear smaller and then bigger again?
Yes—what you’re describing touches on something very interesting:
With Hubble, early galaxies at high redshifts (z ~ 6–10) appeared small, faint, and primitive—as expected.
But JWST, looking even farther back (z ~ 10–14), surprisingly found galaxies that were larger, brighter, and more evolved than expected.
This is the so-called “paradox” or “cosmological surprise”:
We expected galaxies to get smaller and less mature the farther back we looked.
Instead, some of the earliest galaxies JWST sees already look massive and structured—possibly even more so than those found at later epochs with Hubble.
This challenges our models of how fast galaxies can form and grow after the Big Bang.
Let me know if you’d like a visualization or further breakdown of these overlapping time slices.
Has jswt seen the same anomaly in other directions
ChatGPT said:
Yes—JWST has seen similar “anomalous” early galaxies in multiple directions, not just in one field of view.
This is crucial because it suggests the observations are not just a fluke or localized phenomenon, but potentially a universal feature of the early universe.
Key Fields with Anomalies:
JWST has surveyed several independent deep fields:
CEERS (Cosmic Evolution Early Release Science Survey) – in the EGS field
JADES – overlaps with Hubble’s GOODS-South/HUDF
GLASS – targeted massive galaxy clusters via gravitational lensing
COSMOS-Web – wide-area deep survey
PRIMER, PEARLS, and others
Across these fields, JWST has found very bright, massive, and evolved galaxies at redshifts z ≈ 10–14—some appearing too large, too early according to standard cosmology.
What This Means:
The fact that these galaxies show up in all directions (different patches of sky) supports the idea that:
This is a cosmic-scale pattern, not noise or lensing artifacts.
Our models of galaxy formation, dark matter behavior, or even the expansion rate of the early universe may need refining.
Would you like a short summary of the main theories scientists are considering to explain these findings?
Yes
ChatGPT said:
Here’s a concise summary of the main theories being considered to explain the JWST early galaxy anomalies (e.g., galaxies that are too massive, bright, or evolved too soon after the Big Bang):
1. Galaxies Formed Faster Than Expected
Possibility: Star formation and galaxy assembly happened much more efficiently than current models allow.
Implication: Our simulations underestimate how fast gas could cool, condense, and form stars in the early universe.
2. Dark Matter and Structure Formation Revisions
Possibility: The behavior of dark matter—how it clumps and pulls in baryonic matter—might be different at high redshift.
Implication: Models of early structure formation may need updates, possibly involving “warm” dark matter or exotic physics.
3. Modified Cosmology / Expansion Rate
Possibility: The universe might have expanded faster early on (modified Hubble constant, “early dark energy,” etc.).
Implication: Redshift-to-time conversions would be off, making some galaxies appear older than they actually are.
4. Mass Overestimation
Possibility: The inferred mass of these galaxies might be too high due to assumptions in modeling starlight (e.g., initial mass function, dust, metallicity).
Implication: Galaxies could be less massive but still appear bright because of bursty star formation.
5. Exotic Physics
Possibility: New or unknown physics (e.g., changes in gravity, particle interactions) allowed structures to form differently.
Implication: Would represent a serious revision of the Lambda-CDM model (the standard cosmological model).
6. Observational Bias or Misinterpretation
Possibility: Some galaxies might not be as distant as they seem—errors in photometric redshift estimates could be skewing the data.
Implication: Spectroscopic follow-ups are needed to confirm distances.
Let me know if you’d like a visual timeline of when each theory kicks in, or how the Lambda-CDM model tries to account for these galaxies.
If there was no gravity initially and gravity is cumulative and expansion rate is increasing it seems possible that after the initial explosion and mass creation bigger structures were formed before the expansion spread the mass making the gravitational attraction weaker.
ChatGPT said:
That’s a very insightful line of reasoning—and you’re touching on ideas that have intrigued cosmologists for decades. Let’s unpack your idea in context with current physics:
Your Hypothesis (Summarized):
Initially, there was no (or very little) gravity.
Gravity emerges or accumulates as mass clumps form.
The early universe was denser, so mass was closer together, meaning stronger gravitational influence.
As the universe expands, mass spreads out, weakening gravitational pull and suppressing structure formation.
Therefore, larger structures could form earlier, before expansion “outran” gravity.
How This Lines Up with Cosmology:
1. Gravity Was Always Present—but Conditions Were Extreme
Gravity, in general relativity, is not cumulative in the sense of “emerging”—it’s a fundamental interaction.
But you’re right that in the very early universe, the dominant forces were:
Radiation pressure
Quantum fluctuations
And inflation (a repulsive, exponential expansion)
During this time, gravity had little effect on structure formation because the universe was too hot and expanding too fast.
2. Structure Formation Peaks in a Sweet Spot
After the recombination era (~380,000 years post-Big Bang), the universe cooled enough for atoms to form.
This allowed gravity to start clumping matter, leading to the first stars and galaxies.
The early universe was much denser, so gravity had a stronger effect per unit of time than it does now.
Expansion was still ongoing, but not yet accelerating.
3. Your “Cumulative Gravity” Idea Mirrors Structure Growth
Gravity does build structures over time—you’re conceptually aligned with how dark matter halos form and merge.
These halos create the “scaffolding” of galaxies.
Early dense regions allowed rapid collapse, and JWST may be seeing the result of this “head start.”
4. Acceleration Suppresses Growth
Around 5–6 billion years ago, dark energy began to dominate, accelerating the universe’s expansion.
This hampers further structure formation, because mass gets pulled apart too quickly for gravity to bind it.
This supports your intuition: early gravity could outcompete expansion, but not forever.
Is This Consistent with JWST’s Findings?
Yes, possibly. JWST may be showing that structure formed faster than expected in the high-density early universe, before expansion (and dark energy) diluted it too much.
Some theorists are exploring models where early conditions were more favorable to rapid clumping, or where dark energy behaved differently at high redshifts.
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